tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post8588991283583367133..comments2023-10-19T13:54:12.979+02:00Comments on Life Lessons of a Military Wife (overseas in Europe!): Moving and Flying with Pets****Veteran Military Wife at Life Lessons of a Military Wife****http://www.blogger.com/profile/14858503892858989499noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-56776484248451584162010-11-23T07:56:04.513+01:002010-11-23T07:56:04.513+01:00I would really check into this, because Hawaii has...I would really check into this, because Hawaii has some strict entry requirements and possibly quarantine, and depending when your flight arrives...delays where you can't take your pet right away.<br /><br />http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/aqs/info<br /><br />You also have to look at the weather (and other delays), and if your pets are unable to fly out of Vegas with you, what is the back up plan?<br /><br />I would also compare pet shipping services vs. your parents possibly visiting you in Hawaii and bringing the dogs along.<br /><br />A lot of things to mull over, but if you have a plan, it can be done low-stress.****Veteran Military Wife at Life Lessons of a Military Wife****https://www.blogger.com/profile/14858503892858989499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-64501169302758636342010-11-22T12:52:53.317+01:002010-11-22T12:52:53.317+01:00Thanks for the good info. Really helpful. I'...Thanks for the good info. Really helpful. I'm in a strange situation if you can help though. I'm in Korea right now and PCSing to Hawaii. My dogs are with my parents in Omaha, NE right now. Any ideas? I will be in Vegas for a few days before I go to Hawaii so I was thinking of flying them into Vegas then sending them to Hawaii but I'm not sure if that'll work. Any help would be much appreciated :)Damonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-31568885773036607322010-10-30T09:30:11.661+02:002010-10-30T09:30:11.661+02:00It is my understanding that the 10 day health cert...It is my understanding that the 10 day health certificate is paperwork that somehow comes from the USDA. Our Army vet in Tampa on Macdill AFB was authorized to do all the paperwork, which can be done no more than 10 days before your flight. There is no other paperwork required unless this thing you are talking about is something new, but I can't imagine that...there is no press or articles and no one is talking about this "additional requirement". Are you close enough to go to that vet clinic in person and ask what paperwork you need? Perhaps there was someone new on the phone who maybe didn't understand the process? That's all I can think of. If you do go to a civilian vet, you need to go to one that does this health cert regularly and also be prepared to pay for it. Sorry I couldn't offer more insight! Safe travels!****Veteran Military Wife at Life Lessons of a Military Wife****https://www.blogger.com/profile/14858503892858989499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-70676842969763450752010-10-30T03:42:10.001+02:002010-10-30T03:42:10.001+02:00I am so happy I found this blog! Thanks for shari...I am so happy I found this blog! Thanks for sharing all of this information, it is very helpful. I was hoping you could advise me on something regarding an international move with a small cat. We are moving from Ft Bragg to Germany (my husband is already there). I will be traveling with just myself and my kitty Tigger. I have already had her micro-chipped and gotten her shots updated as required 30 days before flight. We are going to be leaving in 3 weeks, and I know we need to get the 10 day health certificate prior to flying. Here's the confusing part: While I was on the phone with the vet clinic (it's an Air Force clinic - I'm staying with parents until I can travel), they informed me that I will have to take my cat to the USDA office to get checked out/do paperwork 4 months before travel. Now I have never heard this before, not at the Ft Bragg vet clinic whom I spoke extensively about the Germany move with, nor on the official travel website for Ft. Bragg. I'm wondering if this is indeed true, or if whoever I spoke to didn't know what they were talking about. Any info about this would really help me out, I'm distraught about possibly having to leave my Tigger behind!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00441672133659632192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-61858912332215367712010-09-07T07:02:14.965+02:002010-09-07T07:02:14.965+02:00Joy, you've got a lot on your plate! It sound...Joy, you've got a lot on your plate! It sounds like you have some prepping to do...and saving money. Yes, you can get advances from the military (your husband can get parts of his pay early when you move)...but I would certainly save to offset moving costs!<br /><br />The Army does not look at pets as family. You are on your own there. The good thing is that there are vet clinics on most posts that will do the 10 day exam for free (if you are flying overseas). You would also have to live off post, wherever you go, since you are only authorized two pets in ANY military housing, that includes inside the US too.<br /><br />I always recommend to folks to not go over the pet limit until they retire....even though it can still be a hassle moving, it is more manageable. Many leave pets with relatives when they go overseas as well.<br /><br />You've got some choices to make, but on the other hand, you wouldn't be the first one going overseas with more than two if you choose to go that route.<br /><br />Just prepare yourself both mentally and financially, and you should be okay.****Veteran Military Wife at Life Lessons of a Military Wife****https://www.blogger.com/profile/14858503892858989499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-74251028967500755802010-09-06T16:27:05.910+02:002010-09-06T16:27:05.910+02:00uuugh! my husband is at AIT and of course will not...uuugh! my husband is at AIT and of course will not receive his PCS until a couple weeks before finishing. if we are lucky, we will have about 3 weeks notice (counting his time off) before we move. 4 kids 2 dogs and 1 kitty. we are praying for a station within the US so we can drive there and there will be less paperwork needed for the pets. overseas paperwork and cost of flying with no advance notice would be really rough. no family support for this choice of Army life so we are on our own. our pets are part of the family and where we go they go. it's insane what some places (like hawaii) wants before moving your pet. is there any arrangements that the army has with certain state or governments to make it easier than if we were moving over on our own?<br /><br />JoyJoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07991254651363083815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-26276139042939821522010-05-16T09:51:36.454+02:002010-05-16T09:51:36.454+02:00Dog or puppy? I would not take a puppy on such a l...Dog or puppy? I would not take a puppy on such a long flight, plus they have to be a certain age. Your vet will tell you what shots they need, but they are standard ones. I think only two pets (cat or dog) are allowed per cabin (check airlines' international travel webpages). All airlines may have different restrictions and requirements. Expect to pay at least $200 for flying the pet over with you, plus cost of kennel, food, etc....<br /><br />Lots to think about taking a pet to a new country where you will already be stressed out just moving yourself.<br /><br />There are plenty of pets of ALL breeds in Italy from military folks who thought they wanted a pet and then didn't realize the cost, limitations (it will put a crimp in your European travel plans at some point) and just hassle (Europeans don't leave their pets alone for long hours <br />like Americans; plus it is against the law over here). Our Stars and Stripes newspaper is FULL of dogs and cats (and snakes, etc) of all different sizes and breeds, especially through the summer where PCSing folks feel like they can just discard a member of their family (if you are not prepared to treat a pet as a member of your family and give them the time and effort they deserve, then don't get one).<br /><br />I would personally not get a pet right before moving...just creating more unneeded stress for yourself and will cause you to make unrational decisions...****Veteran Military Wife at Life Lessons of a Military Wife****https://www.blogger.com/profile/14858503892858989499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-20275410632609577952010-05-15T21:58:34.974+02:002010-05-15T21:58:34.974+02:00My husband is already over in Italy and we know we...My husband is already over in Italy and we know we want to get a pet...Ive wanted to get one before we leave since Ive looked at websites for animals over there and they are crazy expensive and not what I want...anyway I want to get a small tiny dog and was wondering if I get one before I leave am I able to take it in the cabin with me...and what are the rules of taking a pet overseas- shots etc..??AAsquarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-86093304672660860012010-04-03T16:42:47.881+02:002010-04-03T16:42:47.881+02:00Yes, I know it's brand new and was started wel...Yes, I know it's brand new and was started well after I wrote this blogpost. BUT, for those of us traveling overseas, it is not available. They only have limited availability right now...who knows, maybe it'll catch on?****Veteran Military Wife at Life Lessons of a Military Wife****https://www.blogger.com/profile/14858503892858989499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-14162817525760718622010-04-03T00:09:45.471+02:002010-04-03T00:09:45.471+02:00Thanks for this very informative post. I just foun...Thanks for this very informative post. I just found it. Actually, there IS an airline for pets now. Pets travel in the main cabin, NOT in cargo. Here's the web site for PetAirways: http://petairways.com/Anjalihttp://www.anjalibanerjee.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-12307785140349898712010-03-14T12:32:43.327+01:002010-03-14T12:32:43.327+01:00So sorry to hear about your extra stress! No, you...So sorry to hear about your extra stress! No, you won't find ANY airline that allows dogs of that size in any cabin. Your best bet is to go with a pet shipping company, as they specialize in shipping more difficult pets. I would advise against taking her with you on the day you go, as the stress would be enormous for you worrying about her in the hold, and she'll pick up on that beforehand. I know most vets advise against drugging dogs, as they can really hurt themselves, but maybe you can find one willing to work with you. My only other recommendation, which you won't like at all, is to leave her in the States with someone temporarily or permanently....always try to think of what is best for the dog and not necessarily for you if it comes down to such a decision. Please let me know how things go, as we can put your information up on this blog to help the next person faced with similar challenges****Veteran Military Wife at Life Lessons of a Military Wife****https://www.blogger.com/profile/14858503892858989499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-73331502779696451612010-03-12T18:12:39.051+01:002010-03-12T18:12:39.051+01:00My husband just joined the Army and is off to BCT ...My husband just joined the Army and is off to BCT and AIT in 2 weeks. We have 2 dogs, 1 of which has severe anxiety problems. I am extremely concerned that if we get posted overseas that she might not even make the flight. Do you know of any airlines that fly the dogs in the cabin vs cargo, or that the owners can fly with them? She is 65lbs. <br /><br />Thank you.Melissanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-13052014302322833192008-09-25T00:15:00.000+02:002008-09-25T00:15:00.000+02:00Great advice, especially the warnings about the pr...Great advice, especially the warnings about the price. Moving a pet, especially internationally, can be <I>very</I> expensive! We are an international pet relocation company and offer a 10% discount to all members of the military, but even with that, it still can be out of many family's price ranges. It is hard for most people too because a lot of the more expensive locations, like Okinawa, are very difficult to understand with regards to the import requirements. We offer free consultations, so I always try to help as many people figure out how to do it on their own. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, great blog! I added you to our links on our sidebar on our blog!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-26386069296237932272008-09-10T09:50:00.000+02:002008-09-10T09:50:00.000+02:00We flew United to Frankfurt from Dulles with our t...We flew United to Frankfurt from Dulles with our two dogs last year. It cost about $200 and United took really good care of them, even giving us a little card assuring us that the dogs made it onboard. I put hamster bottles with water in our crates. If I had to do it over again, I would have frozen the water beforehand so it wouldn't have made quite as much of a mess. Also, we were told we had to get bigger crates when we go back to the States. Apparently, the Germans are a lot stricter about crate size than the Americans are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-87357116201825746762008-09-08T19:35:00.000+02:002008-09-08T19:35:00.000+02:00And this is why military folks are known for "peop...And this is why military folks are known for "people who abandon their pets", because instead of going through the "hassle" of shipping a pet, they are just abandoned. I remember before the Gulf War, there were actually packs of abandoned pets running throughout the training area!<BR/><BR/>No, sorry, the military does not pay for transporting your pets....so make sure you budget for that. You will be asked how many pets will travel, and they'll even make the reservation for them as well as you and your family, but you'll be the one at the ticket counter handing over your money or credit card.****Veteran Military Wife at Life Lessons of a Military Wife****https://www.blogger.com/profile/14858503892858989499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-35786345332072451782008-09-08T18:47:00.000+02:002008-09-08T18:47:00.000+02:00WOW! Pets do get expensive!! I have a 75 lb. dog a...WOW! Pets do get expensive!! I have a 75 lb. dog and a 20 lb. dog...Delta is charging me $846!!! I have heard from other military members that the army pays for this. Is this true? Has anyone heard of this? <BR/>I have heard of a e-9 having 2 90lb. dogs shipped at all cost to the army, but how do we go about doing this? Moving in 2 weeks...NEED HELP!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7163679024619392733.post-79470541041639473062008-08-24T17:29:00.000+02:002008-08-24T17:29:00.000+02:00I really appreciate the advice in this blog! I am ...I really appreciate the advice in this blog! I am heading to Germany as well in March (spangdahlem). I have the unfortunate luxury of doing it all by myself w/ a cat and dog since my husband is in Korea till then. I've also taken notes from your moving posts. Thanks for all your input!Kristahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16353312194696237562noreply@blogger.com